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Saregamapa Little Champs 22 Febuary Episode
Rohanpreet and Mauli sings Tere Ishq Ki Deewangi.. (It was nice performance..)
Mauli - I am a Gujarati and in songs both Gujaratis and Punjabis get along well.. I like his personal style and attitude.. So, I am supporting him..
The crowd asks for once more and again we get to hear Mauli singing with Rohan..
Rohan - Now that Mauli didi has sung with me, I will show Tanmay and Anamika who the winner is..
Mauli - I had so much fun singing with him.. Whenever I come here on this stage, I am usually very nervous.. But today because of Rohanpreet I was able to sing so openly.
Comments from Guests -
Sameera - You both make such a good pair.. You got a very good looking pair to sing as well.. You dance very cutely too.. I think everyone should vote for you..
Raghav - Your stage presence is also good.. You have a beautiful partner on stage.. Great job!!!
SaReGamaPa Challenge 2007
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166 Responses to “Saregamapa Little Champs 22 Febuary Episode”
Thanks a million, Rohini! That was very nice of you.
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Sonniagul1,
Thank you for your kind words. By and large I found the discussion in this blog interesting and healthy.
As I mentioned previously, Your posts also have been very balanced and thoughtful.
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I am a new comer but I have really enjoyed this blog. I’ll miss writing and reading posts when there is no SRGMP to write about. I have to say that I love the thought provoking posts of MusicBuff, the quick witted and intelligently written posts of Sandipb and the provoking, and discussion inducing comments of Rohini. And last but not least, I apreciate your comments too, Satan! You always add flavor to the discussion. Thank you Aanshi for putting together a great site. I am looking forwart to tomorrow’s finale!
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Sandipb,
We are talking about sareg…pashow blog. It has also been running for many years now. I dont visit it very often, just when I dont find videos here, I go there. And I dont write on that forum…am not sure, may be I might have once or twice during Chal-07.
Yeah, I used to visit this blog even at the beginning of Ch-07, but started writing only towards the end. I remember KiranKamath & Ketki among some of the missing participants whose comments I used to like.
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Sandipb,
I too miss some of them. I think everyone is not so think-skinned like you and me. So some bloggers end up becoming silent viewers.
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I am not sure what other sites you people are talking about but this site has members for quite some time and I do miss some of them!
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I don’t know about more participants but definitely more and more lively and full of energy.
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That’s because this blog has more participants and is more lively, u see
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The white lies of dear truth!!!
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No, the more hungama happened on this blog. That blog was quite peaceful of course apart from dear ‘truth’!!!
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haha…yeah, I was just looking at that other site to see what you had mentioned….Looks like u had quite a difficult time responding to so many people on two different sites!
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Especially, the denounce and rejection part was so funny!!!
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But you see, both Obama and me are able to dodge such comments easily. Ha ha ha!!! So, Hilary’s attempts on Obama are futile.
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musicbuff,
There is one connection between Obama and me, we both were accused of plagiarism!!! ha ha ha, I am comparing myself with Obama…LOL!!
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Of course, beingfair! Didn’t I admit that I am not smart enough?
@Rohini,
Yeah, I like the presidential nomination debates as well, and I have been following them.
I think the Hillary campaign has tried all disgusting ways of pulling Obama down.
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@MusicBuff
I am not interested in beating you on any comment. You are not my type!!!
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I was visualizing how it would be to watch Laloo and Mayawati debating!!!!!
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So, who do you support and who do you think would win in Ohio and Texas?
I like Obama!!! cool man. I love to to watch the democratic debate between Hilary and Obama.
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You bet I am!
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Are you guys following US elections? I am enjoying the presidential candidates debates so much and I wish we had this system in India also. Now eagerly waiting for March 4th to see what happens in Ohio and Texas.
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No hard feelings Rohini!
Peace!
Let’s enjoy the grand finale!
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@Sandipb,
Thanks! I read your posts with equal interest.
“Some of the comments posted by Rohini clearly shows her hatred for the eastern states”
This statement is as hypothetical to me as Rohini’s comment that Zee has been manipulating results.
Anyway, peace!
@beingfair,
What do we discuss next? Or should I say, what topic do u want to beat me next on?
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musicbuff,
The only point I was trying to bring to notice was Zee’s unethical practices and you are right that some of my points were hypothetical, inaccurate and exaggerated. I could only have a debate on this topic and I knew I could never win my argument because I never could prove it as I didn’t have the numbers. But at the end, it so happened that either I had to prove with numbers or quit. But will always appreciate others who thought there is some grain of truth in what I was saying.
Sandipb, I have answered your question about Abhijit long back on February 27th, 2008 12:14 pm and you haven’t noticed it yet and accusing me of answering to your questions selectively but you are right I haven’t responded to many posts not only yours but others also because I didn’t find the need to. So, you may still accuse me of answering selectively.
Please note that I don’t have anything against Bengalis. I mentioned it earlier also that I have lived in Salt Lake City in Kolkata and I can never forget those days because Bengalis are so very friendly and nice. If I hated Bengalis so much then why did I say Anamika deserves to win this time? I am talking about Punjabis also, they voting from Punjab, Canada, UK and as you see Rohanpreet is leading ahead of Anamika today.
Anyway, no hard feelings.
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Thanks Sandip for saying that on my behalf!
I am generally used to healthy debates as that’s what I have to deal with in my area of expertize.
Personal attack detoriorates the atmosphere and most importantly it affects the harmony.
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@ MusicBuff,
I am also tired! I too give up
@ Rohini
If you have given proper citation (e.g. name of the newspaper/writer) then it is not plagiarism. A plagiarism is defined as an act were you mention someone’s statement(findings) as it is WITHOUT MENTIONING PROPER CITATION(the person/source who said it).
I guess MusicBuff’s post has the name of the newspaper as far as I remember.
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Hey musicbuff,
My comments were posted two days after I wrote it so its pretty stale now!
Anyway, I always read your comments with utmost interest and you have a great deal of sanity in what you say.
My point was regarding “btw, you have been only proving Rohini’s point right by debating so hard for your state ”
That’s where I am taking beingfair’s side. Some of the comments posted by Rohini clearly shows her hatred for the eastern states(without justifications and without substantiating her allegations) and that’s where I object!
That was my only issue!
BTW, I read somewhere that the grand finale will be something to watch for!
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That’s too much, Rohini. Thanks a lot! I’m humbled.
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Now I see a post from Sandipb which I had not seen earlier, so I am replying to this:
[sandipb on February 28th, 2008 4:58 pm]
@Sandip,
See, I am not taking any sides here. I am only agreeing with what I also believe in. Wasn’t I the first person to respond to Rohini’s first post which started all this controversy. Some of her points are genuine, while some others are hypothetical. Based on these she has conjured up a theory which is partially true. I know that there are a lot of things which are inaccurate or exaggerations, but that does not make everything she says wrong.
Coming to your points, Sanchita was the best in my opinion. I liked Debojit more than Vinit, although Nihira was the best. Aneek was my 2nd favourite in Ch-2007 after Amanat, so he was very good. But again, we know that people do not vote looking at talent…that has been proved time and again. So although I am happy with these results, I am not so sure that these happened for fair reasons.
And I think all of us need to have an open ear and an open heart to listen to other people’s opinions and accept what is true.
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Musicbuff,
Thank you!!! I must tell you that you are one of the most sensible, matured and balanced persons I have come across on this earth.
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@beingfair,
I give up. I am not smart enough to continue this discussion further. You’ve outsmarted me.
@Rohini,
It’s alright! As you say, you just used them as references and did not claim to have written those articles, so the question of plagiarism does not exist.
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musicbuff,
I have posted my first post in another blog also, my first post because of which we had a series of discussion in this blog. I copied and pasted the articles of newspapers which you posted in this blog to substantiate my point of view in the other blog. I just wanted to confirm with you that these were public articles; I assumed them to be public as you have stated the newspaper name, the city and the date.
There is a person with the mail id ‘truth’ in that blog and he/she has accused me of plagiarism (stealing someone else’s comments). I suspect that person is there in this blog and has been a part of the discussion here. But he/she couldn’t fight with me here and hence is making personal attacks in that blog.
I never knew this would get so nasty. Since the beginning I have been emphasizing that I am not against any state or any community. I just wanted to have a debate and highlight what I believe are the unethical practices of Zee. I have always told I am only against Zee’s practices and not against anyone else.
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haha….take a chill pill, beingfair! Can’t u make out the difference between a joke and a serious comment?
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Hello everybody!
Let me see if it gets posted or goes to moderation
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MusicBuff
What makes you think that? Did you ever get anything nasty from me in the past?
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@M Nathan,
I once said that Tanmay’s repititive jokes are getting under my skin, but I didn’t really mean any bad for him in person. Trust me, it was just a way of expressing my disgust/frustration at the programme, and was not directed towards him. I know that it is scripted.
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@beingfair,
Looks like you’ve written something really nasty this time
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@ MusicBuff
My answer is caught in moderation. Got to wait!!
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Just a couple of quick comments..
1. I agree that the show may be geared to the regions with the highest viewership and hence voting potential. It makes good business sense for them.
2. All three singers are very good. Anamika has probably been the better of the lot and will mostly win. I’ve seen a lot of nasty comments about the other two - Tanmay in particular.
His ads may be repetitive -but Zee has been making him do it. Remember he’s just a 11 year old kid and does not know any better - it was initially funny. You may really like a particular contestant for whatever reason. Don’t let that turn into hatred for the other - these kids have no control over voting.
All of them have got a good deal in terms of publicity, support and renumeration. In six months you’ll have the next show and forget about them. No sense getting bent out of shape over it.
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MusicBuff you are jumping into conclusion
“Please go through that post again…it gives reasons for “sense of belongingness” in these states, but nowhere in that post has she written that only these 4 states have a “sense of belongingness” and could be biased”
This is the continuation of a ongoing debate she is OF COURSE answering to my ONE AND ONLY question of “4 states”. Because that’s the only point that I have problem with.
So you don’t jump into conclusion.
“I have been repeatedly writing since yesterday that this is human behaviour, very natural…..however, unfair it may make results in such competitions, you cannot do away with it…and never did I suggest any kind of “punishment” to people of these states…don’t worry about that”
When did I contradict you at that point?
“btw, you have been only proving Rohini’s point right by debating so hard for your state”
So here you have started your PERSONAL ATTACK. That doesn’t answer my question.
My question is still “the four states” .
Rohini on February 28th, 2008 9:14 am is beating arround the bush. Not at all answering my question.
What is the correlation of bravery and money spending? What is the correlation of ignorance/self worth and money spending?
If “sense of belongingness” mediates the relationship between “spending behavior” and bravery/self worth the why is it only applicable to only 4 or say 6 states (including Nepal and Kashmir). It should be applicable to other states.
One cannot say that “Oh Joe eats chilly a lot that’s why she is so talkative” because you saw joe eating a lot of chilly. May be joe has a very good verbal skill which is unobservable to you.
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“If not then let me ask you this question which point of your is it that you find contradicting with me that you have been responding to my comments to Rohini?”
I took this debate in the spirit of discussion and thought-sharing, not as a one-on-one between you and Rohini where I could take only one person’s side. In between all this, I agreed and disagreed with some points of both her and you.
One point where I agree with her is that certain kinds of affinities/factors may be applicable or stronger in some states only, depending upon the dynamics involved. So, your insistence on “all or none” is what I don’t agree with.
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Well musicbuff,
Regarding your last statement to Beingfair, I am afraid that I am taking side of beingfair.
If somebody continously tells half truth then it really pisses off people!
For example, “Aneek was able to get a substantial number of votes from Bengal state alone”…
as if Raja did not get a substantial number of votes from Rajasthan! (I did mention India Post but Rohini could not justify her allegations)
Another example of half-truth…
ID said that the voting was rigged.
Id also said Public always vote correctly, but no mention of that. V-S said voting was clear…again “silence is golden” philosophy.
Debojit… bad judgement. ID said either Debu or Niharai deserved to be winner… no mention of ID here let alone many journalists (you can have a search) who said it was correct!
Sanchita…open to discussion. I will left it to you to decide who was better… Sanchita or Sameer.
Have you noticed that a particular community was always targetted?
No mention od Quazi, Sandeep Acharya, Ismeet and others?
And another allegation… Aneek was an “average” singer. So all the Pandits/Ustads who judged Aneek to be champion of SRGMP Bangal, and our Ashaji, Suresh ji, Sonu, Vishal -Shekhar… all are idiots! She cannot even accept that all of them… Raja, Amanat, Aneek, Poonam are equally good!
THAT MY FRIEND IS THE WHOLE ISSUE WITH ROHINI
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@beingfair,
I agreed to everything Rohini mentioned in that post, not everything she has been writing since yesterday. I still stand by that.
Please go through that post again…it gives reasons for “sense of belongingness” in these states, but nowhere in that post has she written that only these 4 states have a “sense of belongingness” and could be biased.
Please dont jump to such conclusions. I have been repeatedly writing since yesterday that this is human behaviour, very natural…..however, unfair it may make results in such competitions, you cannot do away with it…and never did I suggest any kind of “punishment” to people of these states…don’t worry about that
btw, you have been only proving Rohini’s point right by debating so hard for your state
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This is what you said
“I completely agree with:
Rohini on February 28th, 2008 9:14 am
@Rohini,
You almost echoed my thoughts.”
You echoed Rohini’s “pick and choose” thoughts supporting the logic of those “4 states”?
If not then let me ask you this question which point of your is it that you find contradicting with me that you have been responding to my comments to Rohini?
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@beingfair,
I did not say that you have been forcing me into this discussion since yesterday. I only referred to your posts/queries (directly directed to me) after I declared that we have had a lot of discussion on this, and let’s put it to rest now. I thought that was intuitive enough!
And repeating the golden words of Rohini, you are back at square one.
After having given you a reference to my post from yesterday where I have clearly mentioned that it is not just these 4 states, and you seemingly having read it, you are back again asking the same question and suggesting that I have been blaming 4 states only and not being able to answer your question.
[All this while I have ONE question why these 4 states only and not the rest???
Neither you nor Rohini could answer this question.]
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@MusicBuff
Ok I see it. That means you say that Kashmiris and Nepalis are also in the list.
MusicBuff you said I am forcing you to continue. I was not even diercting any of my questions to you all this while. You are the one responding to my questions to Rohini? So this is the first time I asked you because I see your interest in answering my questions to Rohini.I am least interested in dragging you because this issue was raised by Rohini.
All this while I have ONE question why these 4 states only and not the rest???
Neither you nor Rohini could answer this question. That’s all from my side!!!
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@beingfair,
aghh!!! You are forcing me to continue.
Please scroll down and read this:
“MusicBuff on February 27th, 2008 7:15 pm”
Let me know if you still have questions for me
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MusicBuff
Since you have given’s Qazi’s example. So he was a Kashmiri then how come Kashmir is not in the list of A/B/M/P?
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@beingfair,
haha….Is it not obvious that it is directed to everyone?
Anyway, it was just a suggestion. You all can continue if you want.
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MusicBuff,
Whom are you telling to put this discission to rest? Me or Rohini?
Direct it to the right person!
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@beingfair,
I think you will find answers to some of the questions you’ve asked of Rohini in my post from yesterday which has now appeared.
I remember only 1 kash participant, Qazi, and he was the winner in that competition.
Guj’s are primarily very business-minded and wouldn’t invest in anything where there are no returns.
Anyway, I think we have had a very healthy discussion, and lots of it….Let’s put it to rest now. I’m getting tired of it.
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Rohini,
You really like to drag on and comment on what suits you best…
A few examples…
“Ismail Darbar came out in public and said Zee rigged the votes. And this is a fact which you may find it if you Google.”
My reply is that Vishal Shekhar specifically said that the voting was fair . You will also find it in Google search!
ID earlier said that public voting is always fair and the reason he went against Zee is a well known fact and you can find it if you google again!
If you don’t have the numbers to back up your statement then don’t say it!
Here’s what you said “Yes, Raja was leading and Zee was making a lot of money by getting votes from across India not only Rajasthan. Whereas Aneek was able to get a substantial number of votes from Bengal state alone.(February 25th, 2008 9:44 pm ). My question to you was when it was published in India Post that Raja got the max. number of votes from Rajasthan and every single vote from Pakistan and mid east was for Amanat why didn’t you accept that and only pointed out Aneek getting max votes from Bengal!
Again, if you ask the old members of this site you will find that I supported Amanat all the way.
But when you raise some points(allegations!) in a debate then you have to be prepared to justify it. Otherwise you will face the music.
Anyway, let us stop this. Peace !
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My answer to Rohini is caught in moderation. Got to wait.
YOu can pick and choose any number of explanantion for any behavior that doesn’t really justfy anything. YOu are trying to pick and choose - Hari spends a lot of money because he is brave. Tom spends a lot of money to prove his worth because he is ignored, Jerry does it because she is a good leader.
But my question is :
why only Hari,Tom or Jerry? Others also have unique behavior!
how do you know that bravery or ignorance is a good enough reason to justfy their behavior of spending money?
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Rihini,
You gave the example of how H and Thakeray could develop that strong sense of identity within their group. But it’s an example of leadership quality -how someone can develop that strong group feeling.It doesn’t answer my question of choosing those 4 states.
I agree that sense of belongness very with social structures. My point is you cannot say that these 4 states specifically have such a unique social structure or geographical condition that they wouldn’t mind spending more money on a Zee-reality show.
According to you Assam has a strong sense of belongingness because they feel ignored by the mainstream. Therefore they spend more money to prove themselves. By the way Assam is one of the poorest states on India. Then even Kashmiris also should have spent a lot of money on these shows because they also feel ignored by the main stream.
Similarly you have chosen Panjabi’s “bravery” as the reason. You can pick and choose any number of explanantions for any state. Every state is unique in some way or the other. Every state or community has it’s own unique sentiments and sense of belongingness in certain aspects.
So your point still doesn’t justify WHY only A/B/M/P don’t mind spending money. why not Gujarat? why not Rajasthan ?
If one can prove that these states don’t mind spending a lot of money then I will believe that ok that’s why zee chooses them to be winners.
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Sandipb,
I think the discussion is over now. I just wanted to bring some facts to notice, I didn’t know that each and every single thing will be questioned about history, Sociology, psychology, etc etc. No one can answer all these questions. As I told I can never prove it because I don’t have numbers to back it up. I was connecting all the events, activities etc as per to my conclusion about Zee which was told to me by a Zee insider, I didn’t do it on my own.
You are all asking me for exact answers with proof. How can you assume that I will know each and everything exactly what is going on in Zee? I think even Subhash Chandra can’t say exactly say what is happening inside Zee. I was replying to the posts which were quite logical and reasonable for me to reply. But yes if you are looking for exact answers with proof for each and every question of yours then I am sorry I am not the person.
As beingfair said if each and every question is not answered then the discussion should be closed. I never thought that you people were looking up to me as an omniscient or Subhash Chandra himself is speaking. I am neither of the two, I just thought its a debate and we will just discuss it over and in the end people will have their own opinion. But I didn’t know that I had to prove every single thing on this earth (at least inside Zee) and win this argument, only then I was allowed to speak. Sorry, I never looked it that way, I knew right from the beginning that at the end people will have their own opinion about this topic.
Sandipb, I accept you are right and I was wrong. OK, happy!!!
For you last post of information, I never said Aneek got votes from only Bengal state I just said substantial number came from his state which I was told (again I don’t have numbers to prove). Secondly, during the final weeks of Saregamapa 2007 the voting lines for Pakistan and Dubai were not working. Those people were complaining that they are not able to cast votes. Amanat also knew this and he said he spoke with Zee about it and Zee said yes there is a technical problem. But Zee didn’t solve the technical problem and that is the reaon why Ismail Darbar came out in public and said Zee rigged the votes. And this is a fact which you may find it if you Google.
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I completely agree with:
Rohini on February 28th, 2008 9:14 am
@Rohini,
You almost echoed my thoughts.
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Beingfair,
I do believe that every individual does have a need to “belong” to a community. However, to claim that this remains constant across the dimensions of space and time may not be true. The social structures play an important role in how strong this identification with ones state/language is. To take an absolute extreme example of this influence on people across the time dimension, one can look at the impact *itler had on the German masses. In the span of 5-6 years, *itler created a much stronger Aryan identity amongst the ordinary German. So strong was this sense of identity that the masses bought into the idea that the Aryans are a naturally superior race and it is ok to murder 6 Million Jews. In just a few years, changes in the political and social structure brought this extreme result. I am not comparing the people of Bengal, Assam, Maharashtra and Punjab to *itler’s Germany at all but I am trying to show you how the strength of the sense of belonging can differ at different times and in different geographies.
Take a more recent case in India, Raj Thackeray’s “Marathi Manoos” drive. Why do you think this had such a strong impact that thousands of North Indians started fleeing Maharastra? Every thing looked fine a few weeks before Raj Thackeray’s comments. The structure changed, a suppressed feeling was brought to the surface and an identity clash resulted.
So you can see clearly that while the need for an identity and the need to “belong” exists in every one of us, the intensity of these needs varies from time to time and across geographies.
Coming to your question of why folks from these states would have a stronger sense of identification with their state and region, we will have to dwell in the history and sociology of these states and evaluate the causes. It could be different for different states. For instance, in the case of Assamese, it could be that the north eastern states feel ignored by main stream Indian politics because of their low population (hence lower votes in elections) and hence feel the need to assert their identity more, to prove that they matter too. In case of Punjab, it could be because the Sikhs form a religious minority as well and Punjabis are typically known for their bravery and valor not for their expertise in performing arts. Hence, the rough and tough Punjabi may feel the need to show that his/her community is also good at arts like Music etc. I am purely speculating in the above 2 cases(of assamese and punjabis), I am neither a sociologist nor a historian so it is difficult for me to exactly pin point the reason why these states have a stronger sense of linguistic/regional identity.
In addition, if you look at the stereotype in India certain states are supposed to have a stronger regional identity and the average Joe in India has come to identify folks from the North as Punjabis, Easterners as Bengali, Southerners as Madrasi (or Tamilian) and Westerners as Marathi. Although stereotypes cannot be taken seriously, there may be a grain of truth in these. The sense of identity of folks from these states is so strong that they have come to represent their regions.
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ok im going to post everything from this point on in the ” guess the winner…’ this is making me dizzy
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Hahahahaha! hkb79. Don’t worry I have my boxing gloves off! I generally don’t like to beat anyone… my default perception for anyone is always a positive one unless it is customized.
By the way I agree with you in this point though… I don’t think I am a very sincere blogger.
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Ustaad Controversy?? Emraan Hashmi is going to be the celebrity guest on that show this week. While he was dancing on the stage, one of the girls in the audience went up to the stage and smooched him. And blah..blah…blah!
Read timesofindia or any other news site for more scoops.
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musicbuff
hahahha i dont club anymore… no time… what with working n blogging n zee tv
the tattoo? well after the accident im doing things that i have put off… u know how it is..with things that remind you that u can die…
anyway this is getting tooooo morbid a topic… so tell tell what was the controversy?
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I swear hkb79, I did not use any swear word in that post…LOL
Accident, Tattoo?? What’re u upto?
Looks like you are indulging a lot into “late-night clubbing & binging”, lately!
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poor music buff
dont fret… by the way… i finally got a tattoo after 5 years of chickening out…dont know why im sharing that here…but just feels right 
any news on amir? and what is the chotey ustad controversy? kya hua?
beingfair thank you for the nomination… i will spend the rest of the day fishing for votes (like a true politician)…
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haha..I cant believe this…One of my comments to hkb79 just got caught in moderation…It is a 2-3 line post, and I’d be really interested in knowing which word used in that post has been set to be caught for moderation!!!
Aanshi,
Time to relook at the rules!
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Ok the best newcomer of the season blogger goes to :
You HKB79
The naughtiest blogger award should go to:
thesatanreturns
The funniest blogger should be :
Dhirani and thesatanreturns
The coolest blogger:
Sandipb and theindecent
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@hkb79,
You should start watching Chhote Ustaad then…there’s a lot happening in that show to keep u interested
On a serious note,
Chhod yaar….be a sport! At least, u can participate in these discussions.
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i would like everyone to vote for rohini as the most verbose blogger… she is the clear winner…no two ways about it…
now for the other categories…hmmmmmm most sincere..musicbuff/beingfair…however im leaning more towards musicbuff…beingfair my dear keep the boxing gloves of ok…i dont want to get beaten up
naughtiest…satan of course…
coolest … sandip/musicbuff
could we add 2 more nomination…heheheh best newcomer of the season blogger ;)…and the funniest blogger ;P
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@musicbuff…
mood nehi hei yaar… i kinda lost interest now that amir is out…
gimme some time… either i will be back with a bang or fizzle out like a wet cracker
anyway i have been enjoying just reading the past few days…love the banter between you and satan… u guys always make me smile
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Rohini,
Exactly there is no end to it. When there is no explanantion for every question then better not to discuss it further. That’s the reason why I said close the topic this morning.
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Yes ! May be I am ! Because I have a keen interest in the area of intergroup conflicts and biases.
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My response to beingfair also got vanished….anyway, guess it is caught in moderation.
beingfair seems to be the smartest of all to use abbreviations so that her posts dont get caught in moderation.
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To all,
There is no end to it. I have sent one more post replying to beingfair and it is not posted yet, so please wait for it. Thats all from my side, because now the same quesions are getting repeated.
Obviously, since I don’t work with Zee and I am not Subhash Chandra’s (Zee owner) psycologist, I don’t have answers to all the questions and I do not know exactly what is going on in Subhash Chandra’s mind.
End of the day, I cannot prove my argument conclusively because I don’t have numbers to back it up. So, each one of us is free to evaluate my argument and come to their own conclusions. I don’t want to force anyone to accept what I am saying.
Musicbuff,
You may find my responses to your questions in my recent post to sonniagul1 and forthcoming post to beingfair.
Sonniagul1,
Your last but one post was excellent but I am sorry to say that I am not replying to your most recent post.
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Sorry I meant say “Hindi” not “English” for South Indians
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@beingfair,
We all know that 99% South Indians don’t watch Hindi programmes, let alone vote for Hindi Musical shows.
Again, it is not just B/A/P/M, it is Nepalis, Kashmiris (didn’t we see Qazi Tauqeer winning), etc.
The only other community coming to mind is Gujaratis…they are too miser to spend money, or should I say business-minded ..LOL (forgive me if somebody is hurt).
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OMG!!! The admin thinks I am like Sharibhai!
None of my comments are posted and I never use any abusive language whatsoever!
Well then, good bye friends!
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Rohini,
I think I need to clarify that there seems to be some confusion in your interpretation of my comments. So, let me just put down point-by-poit on what I agree and what I don’t.
“These states or communities don’t mind spending a lot of money on voting”.
I don’t know and hence won’t comment.
” Zee is only looking at their money not their interest in music”
I agree…being a corporate, I don’t think they are/should be interested in anything else.
“If Tamil Nadu tomorrow votes crazily like these states then you will have a Tamilian winning the contest”
I agree…quite logical.
“..because he/she will be pushed to top 3 by Zee if reasonably good”
I don’t have a reason to believe that…and again, if voted crazily, Zee doesn’t need to manipulate, right?
“In India, every state has a talent in music.”
Agree, 100%.
“..don’t you think Zee would have tried to increase its viewership across India by giving fair results so that every state votes crazily like these 4 states. Why Zee would have then dependent only on these 4 states.”
That is precisely why I believe that Zee is not manipulating results..if they were interested in increasing viewership and getting other states also to vote crazily, why do we have winners from only these states? Why wont they allow other states to catch the frenzy?
Disclaimer: I may be wrong about my judgement on Zee, but as I said earlier, I don’t have a good enough reason to believe otherwise.
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Ok say all non_Hindi speaking people have a strong “sense of belongingness”. Majority of the states in India has it’s own language.By that token all states should have a “feeling of belongignness”.
Now going back to Rohini’s question, THEN South Indians are the first group that ZEE should have chosen. Other states atleast speak “tuta phuta English” but in some part of south people don’t even understand English (forgive me if there is a SOuth Indian in the forum!)
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Here are my counter points rohini. 1 people vote more toward the end because that is the most important time because the contestant is closer to winning than ever. I have seen posts on this forum beforethat show how people did not like the way judges grade a singer. I know that judges are not always consistent on their grading so i don’t think they matter in the end as much as you clame they do. I didn’t like in challenge07 thatwhen Aneek was introduced that a certain judge, Ismail Darbar, took all his frustration out on him and used him as his “stress ball” because he did not like a new face in the show that late in to it. He was a judge with a deep rooted bias against him. 2 Just because a contestant is introduced late does not mean zee did it for money reasons. As sandip said there were bengalis already in the show. Plus, a late entry does not guarantee a win. Bengalis could have voted forAneek or any other bengali, zee would still have made money. So, to conclude my rambling, more votes come in the end because they are crucial. Judges comments should not and probably do not mean too much. And finally, zee can still make money without introducing contestants late in the show. It makes no difference. So, i do not see how you think that those kind of “unethical” means are more profitable than if they had not been carried out.
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@ MusicBuff,
Let me clarify this to you first. I used minority just as an example.You must have seen the word ’say’ that I used. “Sense of belongigness” could be strong in anything as I said it depends on what is salient to you. SAY if I am a physically challenged person and that is very salient to me then I will develop a very strong sense of belongness for a group that is similar to me. This could happen due to region, social-status, education, and the list goes on.
My question is how B/A/P/M have a stronger sense of belongignness than the other states? Every state has a culture,tradition,language,etc.
MusicBuff I did not say that they don’t have a sense of belongignness. I say everyone has a sense of belongignness that was the first sentence of my last comment.
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Rohini,
Before I respond to your comment addressed to me, let me give some explanation to beingfair’s query directed to you.
@beingfair (with your permission),
“Sense of belongingness” is strong in minorities, but not exclusive to minorities only. It results from all kinds of affinities..the common being religion, language, culture, etc.
Now, saying that Bengalis, Assamese, Punjabi’s etc. dont have a strong sense of belongingness would be wrong, since they have linguistic and cultural reasons for the same.
I might be speaking out of turn here, but I feel that all non-Hindi speaking people in India have a strong cultural belongingness/regional identity.
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sonniagul1,
It’s a very interesting point you raise here.
A couple of points to note:
1. People really get into the “vote for so and so” mode once s/he reaches in the top 4-5 of the contest, until then the level of involvement in the show and identification with the contestant is low. Also, the public is looking for affirmation from the judges and the voting in general, that their region/state’s contestant is a good one and not a dud. The last thing anyone wants to do is support a not so good singer. This argument can be verified by the huge amount of votes that pour in, in the final stages of the contest and not in the 1st few weeks. Zee has to ensure the survival of at least one contestant from these states in the initial weeks so that Zee can make lot of money from the votes this contestant gets in the final few weeks.
2. Once in a while, the contestant may not sing that well and hence overall the votes s/he gets are lower. Or the people in his/her state may get a little lax at voting. This could happen either because of some more important events occuring in their state or as a pure case of probability that folks from a particular state once in while will vote less than the norm. Whatever the reason (contestant’s poor singing or lax voting), the effect is the same. If they let all contestants from these states get eliminated, then a steady source of high income to Zee in the final few weeks would be gone!!! Zee cannot afford that and it is in such situations that it steps in by either keeping a non elimination round or introducing new contestants in between (like aneek and Abhijeet) or bringing in a wild card entry etc etc. Judges support this by suitably altering their comments.
So to conclude, they alter the result by such unethical tactics.
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Its weird! I don’t see my reply to Rohini and when I started writing again it popped up! And now I don’t see it again!
I think Rohini has issue with Bengali contestants only, whether she admits it or not!
She said that Raja got votes from all over India but Aneek got votes only from Bengal, but she could not substantiate her allegations.
I have read in India Post ( and I am searching for that particular issue) that Raja got max. number of votes from Rajasthan and every single vote from Pakistan and mid east was for Amanat. Rohini has no problem with that!
Musicbuff was correct in saying that people in some states are more musically oriented.
Every state has produced great singers but common people of Bengal and Punjab are more keen on music than any other state!
Every single singer, music composer, musician has said that Bengal and Punjab have music in their soil and music in their air! I cannot believe that all are wrong!
I know its futile but still some pointers for Rohini…
1. India’s biggest and probably the only Sangeet Research Academy is in Bengal! There must be some reason for it!
2. Most musicians (classical field) e.g Pt. Jasraji, Ustad Amjad Ali Khan, Pt’ Hariprasad Chourasia, Pt. Shiv Kumar Sharma to name a few have music schools in Bengal. They must be stupids!
EVEN Bala Subramaniam HAS A SCHOOL In Bengal
3. Kavitah Krishnamurthy learnt music from her Bengali aunt and uncle and like Alka Yagnik (who was born and brought up in Bengal) used to perform in Bengal before moving to Mumbai.
4. Both A. R Rehman and his father learnt music from Salil Choudhuri ( OMG … another Bengali!)
And I never got the answer. Being the economic capital of India and being a great vote bank as per Rohini why didn’t Zee cash on Maharastra votes for both Abhijit and Rohit?
And both are great singers!!!
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No Rohini,
I don’t think it’s some states that have stronger sense of belongingness. If you look at the “Social Identity theory” (e.g. by Tajfel & Turner, also see Abram and Hoggs)) you will find any individual seeks to identify him/herself with a group and wants to develop a feeling of belongingness with a group. Now what criteria he is going to use to develop that feeling depends on what is salient to him. It varies with context. If you are a minority (as MusicBuff said)say in terms of your religion in a particular context (say a foreign country)then that becomes a salient factor in developing your feeling of belongingness. We do it because it raises our self-esteem when we identify ourselves with similar ones.
Now for Punjabi/Bengali/Assamese/Maharashtra why specifically they will have a higher sense of belongignness? It just doesn’t justify a normal tendency of human behavior.
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beingfair,
ha ha ha!!! you are back to square one. To undestand the discussion fully please go through all the posts in this thread.
Let me try to briefly explain myself again.
Some communities and states have a stronger sense of belonging and regional identity. Hence, people from these states are more likely to vote passionately for their contestant as long as the contestant is a reasonably decent singer. You can look at the musicbuff’s posted articles that provide qualitative evidence.
I do not have a problem with this, it is natural that people identify with their language and state, and support a contestant with whom they can identify with. My grouse is with Zee and its desire to maximize profits using unethical means by trying to exploit the regional /linguistic sentiments of the people and in the process end up eliminating deserving talented singers.
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Rohini, you say that people from the states in question have “loose pockets” and are more eager to spend money on their contestant. Then, if that is true and zee can make money off them, then why do they have to rig anything to work out in there behalf? Following your logic of “money talks”, then zee does not have to tamper with the voting system to keep certain communities coming back for more.
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I thought of keeping quite but I am forced to chip in again.
Rohini, you mentioned some Tamil great singers. I agree and I look upon them in awe.
But a few clarifications…
Many of them have Bengal connection.
1. Kavita Krishnamurthy…Her Bengali aunt and uncle — with whom young Kavita spent a great deal of time, to the point where she looked upon them as second parents — influenced her to learn the Bengali style Rabindra Sangeet as well and were her first music teachers!And she made her first public appearance in Calcutta!
2. Bala Subramaniam … why does he have a music school in Bengal like other musical gurus (Pt. Jasraj, Ustad Amjad Ali Khan, Pt. ShivKumar Sharma, Pt. Hariprasad Chaurasia to name a few)? Because he knows that people of Bengal love music and understands music. That’s why he made so many Bengali albums (yes vocal!)
3. Why do we have India’s biggest Sangeet Research Academy in Bengal?
Every state has produced great singers, but the common people of Bengal and Punjab are very much in music compared to those of other states.
That is the reason every singer, music composer, musicians have always said that Bengal and Punjab have music on the earth and in every breath. They all cannot be wrong!
You choose to answer only a few and always avoid the crucial ones. I like that!
But think about the questions musicbuff asked…
Why Zee will ignore the Rajasthanis and make Bengalis happy and how did Zee know that only Aneek’s fans will use software generated voting?
(February 25th, 2008 8:58 pm). You mentioned that Raja was getting votes from all over India while Aneek was getting votes only from Bengal. If you cannot substantiate that then please don’t make up things!
I know for sure, and I have friends working in Bollywood music industry, that Raja was receiving maximum number of votes from Rajasthan and every single vote from Pakistan and mid east was for Amanat. I don’t see you having a problem with that!
All problems arise when a bengali contestant start receiving votes!
And you didn’t mention why Abhijit, being such a good singer, was not promoted by Zee (belonging to another great vote bank Maharastra).
Your whole problem lies with bengalis! Admit it!
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Rohini I simply don’t get it - why only these four states don’t mind spending money a lot on voting?
I think it’s the other way round. These sates have the maximum representations in these shows.That’s why obviously they will get a lot of votes from their homeland. In other words you can say that there could be a regionalism bias in voting. But Zee specifically selecting these states because the people from these states like to spend money…no..sorry I find it dumb!
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@Soniaagul1,
I guess it will take quite some time. I believe, they are about to start the MiddleEast-Pakistan version of it. Once they complete that one, only then the Indian version will start. This is what I read in the 20th Feb edition of Gulf News Daily.
“Zee Television is staging the third season of Sa Re Ga Ma Pa - Middle East Pakistan 2008.
Auditions will be held in Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, Pakistan and the UAE. A Zee Television audition team will arrive in Bahrain next week to select participants from Bahrain for the programme, which is broadcast around the world…..
…The 120 contestants will compete with each other under the guidance of four mentors, divided into four gharanas (groups).
They are Himesh Reshammiya, Ismail Darbar, Vishal Shekhar and Bappi Lahiri.
Auditions will be held in all five countries, but only 32 participants will be short-listed to be part of the show”.
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You are saying “The reason Assam/Bengal/Maharashtra/Punjab cases are noticeable is due to the high viewership of musical shows in these states because of the interest people there show in music.”
You are missing the deepest point which I have always been trying to tell is ‘MONEY’. These states or communities don’t mind spending a lot of money on voting which Zee is eager for and that’s what I am trying to highlight, Zee is only looking at their money not their interest in music. Come on, these 4 state’s population is small in number compared to the whole of India’s population. Do you think these state’s viewership and interest in music is more compared to all other states put together in India. Talent comes from across India or in broader perspective from across world, one can’t say talent is there only in these 4 states or interest in music is there only in these 4 states. If Tamil Nadu tomorrow votes crazily like these states then you will have a Tamilian winning the contest because he/she will be pushed to top 3 by Zee if reasonably good. In India, every state has a talent in music. A.R Rehman comes from Tamil Nadu; Bala Subramaniam comes from Tamil Nadu, Kavita Krishnamurthy, Bombay Jayshree, etc. Disclaimer: I am not a Tamilian.
If it’s because of high viewership of music shows and interest in music that these state’s contestants are winning then don’t you think Zee would have tried to increase its viewership across India by giving fair results so that every state votes crazily like these 4 states. Why Zee would have then dependent only on these 4 states. Please note Zee has viewership across India in every state and the interest in music is extremely high across India not just in these 4 states.
Zee is pandering to these 4 states and sidelining contestants from all other states only because of money. There is no other difference and there is no other reason for Zee to take this risk of giving a winner from these states every time. Saregamapa 2007 had the highest TRP rating, why it is not true with lil champs? Some people are able to see all these games and these controversies are annoying and putting a lot of people off. But to Zee, what matters the most is money and as long as it gets money from these states Zee is not going to change its tactics. And you have proved how this time also Bengal and Punjab are getting ready to vote for their favorites. Zee will run it this way as long as these states keep spending a lot of money on voting.
Anyways, still thank you for saying that you believe me to some extent at least.
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Hello, Rohini! Yes, i have to agree with you on that point in itself. No channel would want to compete with another channel in terms of having season finales at the same time. I think you and I can agree on the fact that money does have a heavy influence on the shows. It is obvious that it does because the sms votes are not free.And, MusicBuff put it so perfectly, that people can vote on other motives than good singing from a contestant. But beyond that Rohini,you and I will have to part ways on some other issues. But, even though you and i do not agree on everything, good job for sticking with it and expressing yourself on the forum.
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Another thing worth mentioning here is that minorities anywhere in the world have more “sense of belongingness” towards their community, and also some insecurities. This gives them more reason to look for the “good of their community”. It is pretty natural, and I dont see “Red” in it…although it may result in an unfair decision in these shows.
The same holds good for all other non-minority communities that have a lot of bonding and sense of “oneness” within the community.
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@Rohini,
It is not about backing someone…As I had admitted earlier, I agree with some of your observations, however, I still dont have enough reason/evidence to believe the rest. I agree and in fact have noted & expressed myself in the past that public voting is not a good way of judging talent since there are a lot of “other” criteria that come into picture. People have been, and will continue to vote on regional/religious/sympathy/cuteness factors, come what may. Again, there are exceptions amongst people, but this holds true for the vast majority. The reason Assam/Bengal/Maharashtra/Punjab cases are noticeable is due to the high viewership of musical shows in these states because of the interest people there show in music.
As far as the channel deciding the winner is concerned, I dont have a good reason to believe that yet.
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Musicbuff,
Thank you so much for backing me!!! I can’t appreciate more.
beingfair,
Yeah, we just have to watch reality shows for fun but somewhere don’t we get hurt or irritated by seeing talented singers being eliminated. Its good for people who can keep their emotions away and watch, at least I can’t to do that. But yeah, what you say makes sense.
Sandipb,
Lastly, I am talking about contestants receiving votes during the grand finale. All the channels are smart enough or co-operate at least this much with each other not to keep their grand finale events at the same time to avoid votes getting divided. It never happened and it will never happen, don’t worry.
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MusicBuff, I really apreciated those highlights from the articles that you have posted. Do you know when the next round of sa re ga ma pa will start?
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Ok Rohini and Sandipb I think we can close this topic here.
There is no end to such discussions. There is no way for us to prove whether Zee is being manipulative or not. The first and formost aim of these commercial channels is to make money. They may try to use their own tactics for their business benefits. I agree with that. But I don’t see any rational behind choosing one state over the other. But anyway I am not interested in digging deeper in that area.
Bottomline is that all these are reality shows there is no point analyzing their activities because you can’t come up with a reliably correct answer. No matter how much we criticize them we end up watching them every season because they entertain us. So let’s just enjoy the show
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World Sikh News - 13th Feb
“His training as a singer, his continuing good performance as a singer and a performer on stage and sustained voting by a section of the Sikh community thrilled at the emergence of Sikhs in the entertainment industry has brought him to this par. Good fortunes and voting bonanza has made Rohanpreet a sequel to Ishmeet.
It is a little surprising that though the Sikhnetwork continues to campaign for Rohanpreet, no school has taken the campaign for Rohanpreet’s success to the streets.”
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World Sikh News - 6th Feb
“Voting lines are getting jammed and supporters from Punjab are going agog to vote for Rohanpreet Singh. He surged ahead to become one of the top contenders into the last four.”
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World Sikh News - 30th Jan
“The 11 year-old singing sensation is on a winning spree. Owing to the efforts made by Guru Gobind Singh Study Circle and Ishmeet’s victory, the organisation is again geared up for Rohanpreet’s support appealing to all Sikhs to vote for the shy young kid.
The Sikh and the Punjabi factor have stirred many a Punjabi and Sikhs in Punjab as well as abroad and are all set to boost the campaign. “
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Assam Tribune
State drumming up support for Anamika
By Our Correspondent
GUWAHATI, Feb 25 – The North East region may have failed to place the winner’s crown on Amit Paul in Sony TV’s ‘Indian Idol’ last year, but they are vowing to repeat the feat they achieved with Debojit Saha when the latter notched the top spot in Zee TV’s ‘Saregamapa Challenge 2005 couple of seasons back. This time, though, it is Assam’s little wonder Anamika Choudhury, who is sweeping the music buffs off their feet…..
…Leading the campaign from the front in today’s road show was Marinai (home town of Anamika) MLA Rupjyoti Kurmi, “The fact that Anamika is vying to win Zee TV’s show for the kids that Debojit won in the general category is what is giving Anamika’s supporters and fans a sense of proud,” said Kurmi, while appealing votes for the little wonder.
Kurmi, who is leading the motorcycle rally that arrived at Guwahati today, said, “We appeal to the people of NE to vote for this little budding star and establish before the nation that the North East has talent in abundance.”
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I had posted a few links yesterday which substantiated a few things Rohini had written about, but I guess the admin deleted that post. Anyway, I am posting a few excerpts from those articles, instead.
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My posts are getting vanished…Jaadooo
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I had posted a few links yesterday which substantiated a few things Rohini had written about, but I guess the admin deleted that post. Anyway, I am posting a few excerpts from those articles, instead.
Assam Tribune
“State drumming up support for Anamika
By Our Correspondent
GUWAHATI, Feb 25 – The North East region may have failed to place the winner’s crown on Amit Paul in Sony TV’s ‘Indian Idol’ last year, but they are vowing to repeat the feat they achieved with Debojit Saha when the latter notched the top spot in Zee TV’s ‘Saregamapa Challenge 2005 couple of seasons back. This time, though, it is Assam’s little wonder Anamika Choudhury, who is sweeping the music buffs off their feet…..
…Leading the campaign from the front in today’s road show was Marinai (home town of Anamika) MLA Rupjyoti Kurmi, “The fact that Anamika is vying to win Zee TV’s show for the kids that Debojit won in the general category is what is giving Anamika’s supporters and fans a sense of proud,” said Kurmi, while appealing votes for the little wonder.
Kurmi, who is leading the motorcycle rally that arrived at Guwahati today, said, “We appeal to the people of NE to vote for this little budding star and establish before the nation that the North East has talent in abundance.””
World Sikh News - 30th Jan
“The 11 year-old singing sensation is on a winning spree. Owing to the efforts made by Guru Gobind Singh Study Circle and Ishmeet’s victory, the organisation is again geared up for Rohanpreet’s support appealing to all Sikhs to vote for the shy young kid.
The Sikh and the Punjabi factor have stirred many a Punjabi and Sikhs in Punjab as well as abroad and are all set to boost the campaign. ”
World Sikh News - 6th Feb
“Voting lines are getting jammed and supporters from Punjab are going agog to vote for Rohanpreet Singh. He surged ahead to become one of the top contenders into the last four.”
World Sikh News - 13th Feb
“His training as a singer, his continuing good performance as a singer and a performer on stage and sustained voting by a section of the Sikh community thrilled at the emergence of Sikhs in the entertainment industry has brought him to this par. Good fortunes and voting bonanza has made Rohanpreet a sequel to Ishmeet.
It is a little surprising that though the Sikhnetwork continues to campaign for Rohanpreet, no school has taken the campaign for Rohanpreet’s success to the streets.”
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Sandipb,
I told you I can’t explain any more on this discussion. There is no end to it, I didn’t know I was getting into something so disturbing to people when I wrote my first post.
If I had a chance I would like to delete it. You said, more than believing its to do with logical reasoning. Fine, I admit that my post has no logical reasoning. But please don’t subject me to answer each and every question about each and every person. I don’t have any inside source which provides me all the details I ask for. I just happened to meet with some one who works with Zee. That’s it. I just thought I should write it in the blog and that was my mistake.
I don’t know about Abhijit to tell you frankly, you may draw possibilities. Firstly, you may think he was brilliant in Marathi songs and not so good with hindi songs because he told clearly in the show that his hindi is not so good and he can’t pronounce hindi words properly. Secondly, you may think it was Aneek and Abhijit who were introduced in the middle, you know there was a huge controversy for that and if Zee had pushed both of them then…….!!!!! So, Zee had to choose on of the two.
You can draw many possibilities depeding on what you believe in. You don’t believe in what I said so you are trying to find one or the other reason to argue for without trying to find it yourself.
There is nothing wrong in trying to find the logic but Sandipb you can find it yourself if you think in those lines that Zee is manipulative. If you have in your mind that Zee is sacred or sincere then I can’t help it. Hence I said if you don’t believe it, its perfectly fine with me.
Thanks hkb79 for the vote of confidence. I appreciate it!!!
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Rohini,
Its not the question of believing or non believeing. Its all about logical reasoning.
I don’t know who your Zee insider is but this show is going over for 11 years now!
Anyway, as per your logic “The states which are most profitable are Bengal, Assam, Punjab and Maharashtra”.
Then why Abhijit was not promoted? He was not a weak or bad singer! In fact he was the champion of SRGMP Marathi and was judged by music gurus!
Zee could have promoted Abhijit over Raja, Amanat, Poonam and Sumedha because they come from those states who are not known to vote (forget about Sandeep Acharya as musicbuff has pointed out). Same goes for Nihira who was from Maharastra and was the strongest in SRGMP 2005!
Secondly, if bengalis (hindu, muslim, christian and buddists) are known to vote for bengali contestants only (as per your Zee insider) then how many contestants they should be voting?
We had Aneek, Joy and Nirupoma in SRGMP, Amit Paul and Emon from Indian Idol and Prashant Tamang (though not a bengali but he is from Bengal) and a host of other bengali contestants in SVOI!
Wow, that calls for a lot of voting and a huge lot of money!
Can you ask your inside source what percentage of total votes came from Bengal and what percentage from other states especially Rajasthan?
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hkb79,
Come on, you can do better than that. You know, you are a prime contender for the “Most Verbose blogger”.
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i see some truth in what rohini says, however trying to figure out zee is like trying to ace an exam on nuclear physics
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@Satan,
Thanks for giving me an opportunity to be in the “most desired” company of Sumedha.
As far as the judges making a disappearing act is concerned, my sources tell me that they were paid for only a fixed number of episodes, and since Zee added two weeks to accomodate the Wild Card round (remember?), they fell short by two weeks.
Hope the mystery is resolved now!
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Sandipb,
Discard my last post, because you may get confused so I have corrected it. I am being extra cautious now in what I am writing.
I have told the singers have to be reasonbly good for Zee to push. I am not saying Smita was a bad singer but Zee chose Anamika over Smita. Zee had Anamika to get them votes from her region so they let go Smita. Zee is not stupid that it will bring only these states candidates to top 3 everytime. Then Zee’s games become obvious to people. After all Zee also has to keep its reputation to some extent at least, it can’t become so blatant in these matters in front of public. If Anamika was not there then may be Smita would have been pushed by Zee to top 3 along with Rohanpreet. There is a very thin line Sandipb, I think I can’t explain any more on this discussion.
Its fine, if you don’t find any logic in what I say. I got the same comment from ‘terwander’ why Zee didn’t push Harpreet Deol. I have the same answer for him too. Harpreet was weak compared to other contestants in that competition. If he was like Aneek then he would have definitely been pushed to top 3 with the same love story dramas.
One contestant/region is good for Zee. End of the day the same people vote. Either all those votes come to one single person or get divided between the two. The number of votes remain the same. It doesn’t help Zee monetarliy to have two contestants from one region.
Please don’t ask me all the finer details. I just wanted to bring to public notice how Zee is making money on Saregamapa which I got to know by one of Zee insiders only. If you don’t want to believe it, its perfectly fine with me.
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Here are my ideal top 3. 1 Vasundhara 2 Anamika and 3 Amir
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Sandhipb,
I have told the singers have to be reasonbly good for Zee to push. I am not saying Smita was a bad singer but Zee chose Anamika and Rohanpreet over Smita. Zee had the contestants who could satisfy them so they let go Smita. Zee is not stupid that it will bring only these states candidates to top 3 everytime. Then Zee’s games become obvious to people. After all Zee also has to keep its reputation to some extent at least, it can’t become so blatant in these matters in fron of public. If Anamika and Rohanpreet were not there then may be she would have been pushed by Zee to top 3. There is a very thin line Sandipb, I think I can’t explain any more on this discussion.
Its fine, if you don’t find any logic in what I say. I got the same comment from ‘terwander’ why Zee didn’t push Harpreet Deol. I have the same answer for him too. Harpreet was weak compared to other contestants in that competition. If he was like Aneek then he would have definitely been pushed to top 3 with the same love story dramas.
One contestant/region is good for Zee. End of the day the same people vote. Either all those votes come to one single person or get divided between the two. The number of votes remain the same. It doesn’t help Zee monetarliy to have two contestants from one region.
Please don’t ask me all the finer details. I just wanted to bring to public notice how Zee is making money on Saregamapa which I got to know by one of Zee insiders only. If you don’t want to believe it, its perfectly fine with me.
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Rohini,
You wrote… “All I meant to say about Amir was that if he was from Bengal/Assam/Punjab/Maharashtra state then Zee would not have let judges criticize Amir so harshly and he would have been pushed to top 3 even if he was not this good a singer”
What about Smita? Wasn’t she critized too hasrshly? And she also belongs to eastern states.
So your logic does not hold water.
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Finally, I see all my posts. Thanks Anshi.
Hope I have answered your questions and your misumderstandings have come down a little. All I meant to say about Amir was that if he was from Bengal/Assam/Punjab/Maharashtra state then Zee would not have let judges criticize Amir so harshly and he would have been pushed to top 3 even if he was not this good a singer. Zee wants money and nothing else, hence in trying to protect Rohanpreet by keeping non elimination round(to get votes from Punjab, Canada, UK in the grand finale) Amir got eliminated. I hate Zee because it doesn’t mind eliminating talented singers, all that matters to Zee is MONEY!!!
Anyways, I am done with reality shows.
For the last time, let me tell my top 3 choice.
1. Anamika
2. Amir Hafiz
3. Vasundhara
Please note this is completely my choice.
What about you guys? Let us all share our choice of top 3 including all the contestants.
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I think we give too much attention to Aamir and his family’s behaviour. The focus should be on the top three and may the best singer (Anamika) wins the top position.
Anshi, your work is fantastic. Thanks for all the information and all the “spoiler”. Keep up the good work!
Thanks.
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Aanshi,
I think your source gave you the correct information.
What I am hearing is that Zee plans to show that clipping (Aamir’s parents apologizing) on the grand finale!
And THAT will be disgusting!
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Anshi,
Thanks for the information. I think this site sometimes has very very explicit pictures of people. We live in US and sometimes my kids go on this site to see what’s happening in Saregamapa. The bottom line is that sometimes this site is NOT AT ALL kids friendly. Could you please look in to this matter? I do not know who else to complain about this situation.
Thanks for your input.
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It’s okay, Aanshi. I also saw a story on the internet saying Amir would be present. You keep a great web site, it is fine if 1 spoiler was off. Keep up the good work!
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I want to apologise to all the members for wrong spoiler this time.. regarding Aamir’s family being present on 22nd Feb. We got this news from our source.. but it turned out to be wrong information..
And I also want to apologise all members for a very unstable site.. We are facing a lot of server problems.. I hope you all understand our problem and be patient..
Thanks
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Aanshi,
I have sent 3 posts and none is posted yet. These posts are just like my previous posts. May I know why? Or is it going to take some time?
Guys, please don’t choose in between lines from my post. I have given examples to explain what I intendted to say. Take a overall meaning of the post, it has only one message of how Zee making money on saregamapa, that’s all. I have never been against anybody or any community or any state. Common, end of the day we are all Indians.
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aisha1,
No, Aamir’s family was not present either on Feb.22 or on Feb 23
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This is to Aanshi….
You wrote in the spoiler for 22 Feb.. “Also, present there were Aamir Hafiz and his family, apologizing on stage to one and all for their misbehavior and bad conduct.”
I watched this episode and did not see either Amir or his family on the show. Did I blink and miss them? Would it be possible for you to let me know where in that episode did Amir and his family make an appearance??
A response from either Aanshi or fans of the show would be much appreciated.
Thanks!
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Folks,
I have written two posts and they are not coming and for that you have to ask Aanshi. Those posts were just like my other posts; I don’t know why those posts have not yet come.
Secondly, I don’t want to write any more in this blog because you guys are making it a religious/community issue which I never thought of. I never have such a thing in my mind and heart. You are saying I am jealous of Bengalis, then why did I say in my post that this time Anamika deserves to win. I have lived in Salt Lake City in Kolkata and I never forget those days because Bengalis are so very friendly and nice. Don’t draw some conclusion with which you can support your stance. If you don’t want to believe it, leave it. At least don’t spread such controversial messages.
My complaint is with Zee TV and the way they run their show and not with people of any region or religion. I am not against anyone here but Zee. Hope you understand it. People are free to vote for whomsoever they like and if they vote based on who they can identify with, I can totally understand that.
I also never said that communities should vote for their favorites, I just gave an example. I am not supporting favoritism here. Yeah, Anamika deserves to win and there is nothing wrong if Bengalis vote her a lot but we have had Debojit also as a winner. Please don’t take my post selectively line by line. The whole post is one piece, don’t dissect it.
I just gave an example of Amir so that I could explain properly what I intended to say but I never thought that it would become a controversial sentence. May be I should have taken some other example, If I had said if Mauli was from Bengal or if Mauli had got votes from her state/community like Bengal state/community then she would have been in finals. I think then its fine, because I used Amir, it became controversial.
I agree with you folks, when you say that if states/community vote a lot for their contestant then their favorite will win. But to criticize and eliminate other talented singers who could be winner is what I am blaming at on Zee, not on anyone else.
I have explained it properly in my missing post; you may look for your answer in that post if at all it is posted.
Take care guys, no hard feelings. It was nice talking to all of you. I tried my best to explain everyone but some silly comments are coming which I never want to look at. If I find any post worth replying I will do it otherwise please spare me.
I am also not spreading any false rumors here; look at these reality shows as business as how Zee looks at. May be then you would understand it.
Aanshi,
Could you please tell me why my posts have not been posted yet?
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I know people can be jealous of Bengalis, beingfair and i know i can not change that. But i just want to writeback to rohini to say 2 things that i have been trying to get across. 1 I believe Aneek won soley on talent and his dedicated fan following. 2 Jealousy should not be a good enough justification to blane a channel and say they rig votes or blame the Muslims for not voting for Amir zealously because he is Muslim too.
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Friends,
I see some of us taking this debate personally, and some even making really immature comments. I know where it is heading now, so I’m out of this discussion.
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Yes, beingfair. I know that my comments or the comments of anyone else, will not help in changing someone’s views. Jealousy ofBengalis isdeep rooted, like any other jealousy. I have 2 reasons for writing to Rohini though. 1 I believe that aneek won soley based on talend and his dedicated fan following. It was tough competition though, and all the top 3 were God gifted. 2 Just because some one is jealous of a group of people should not give him/her a good enough justification to say a channel rigged votes or that a certain community should be blamed for not acting on regionalism to keep a Champ in the show. Amir was good, we all know that. But, he just could not keep his fan following.
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Reply to Rohani,
I am puzzled by your statement, if that was soo why did harpreet Deol got eliminated in round 7 in the previous Segment of adult Saregamapa 2007. I dont think Zee will stake its reputation as a corporate player (with international standing), will stoop so low as to fix the results. If that was the case than the results of all the contestants would not have been announced. I think it was a spur of the moment request from the judges. A good singer must consistently hold his votes. Talent is one thing. Fan following is another. Amir was talented but he could not hold on to his fans so he dropped. There is no use making suppositions, every body consented to the change on that day and so be it. I think Rohani you have a runaway imagination.
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Now let me tell you something! Actually people are jealous of Bengalis
…as they are so talented..specially in the music area…well also in literature area…!
Soniagul1 and sandipb I appreciate your effort but it doesn’t really help
Sorry for the discriminating comments!But it’s a fact!
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I think you are contradicting yourself, Rohini. On one hand you are lamenting over the regionalism that you think plagues these shows. Then you question why Muslims did not act on regionalism to vote for Amir and keephim in the top 3.
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what happened on the 22nd i didnt see amirs family on stage was it just me or did they never apologize?
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Yes, Sandipb. Thank you for stating that. Rohini, none of us here are “ganging up” on you. You have every right to say what you feel on the issues you brought up. On the flip side, we all are able to “chime in” on what you write too and we just do not understand why ou have come to those conclusions.
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Rohini, Please take it as a debate.
Here, in this website, we do not attack anybody personally!
All members are matured people!
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